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I have hosted several community service events that sororities at FSU have signed up for, and almost always only a fraction of their group showed up, as the rest was spending their night doing something similar to this cartoon and was unable to make it in the morning. This is not exactly what I would call “classy” and this is the very thing that this cartoon is poking fun at. Like it or not, sororities have developed this reputation around campus, and its not because of stereotypes, it is because many many people have experienced situations similar to what I have. I have no doubts that many sorority girls have done amazing things for the community and that many sorority girls will go on to do great things in the future, but that doesn’t change the fact that sororities have done things to develop this reputation.
Lol it’s funny. Lighten up peoples.
U MAD BRO
Being a Ferris student, I find that most Frat guys are douchebags, and also quite a few of them are rapists. I also find a pretty hefty average of sorority girls to be a bit loose and or bitchy. And both groups drink FAR TOO MUCH. Every night you can find parties at some Greek House. So stop saying you aren’t, when you totally are. I’ve seen tons of sorority girls do the drunken slut walk at Cranker’s at 2am.
Woah… that’s kind of a jump. It’s not fair to assume that. I’m not a fan of some of the people that are showing their true colors on here, but I’m not going to brand people as sluts or rapists. That’s just cruel.
Majority of college students drink too much… STFU and get some data.
“Presence of a
Greek system. A number of single institution studies have found that
members of Greek organizations are more likely to drink compared with
other students (Klein, 1989; Lo and Globetti, 1993; Werner and Greene,
1992). Each of these studies reported that Greek affiliation—living in a
Greek house, belonging to a Greek organization, intent to join the
Greek system—is correlated with higher rates of heavy episodic drinking,
frequency of drinking and negative consequences. The findings of these
studies have been corroborated by data from the College Alcohol Study
(Wechsler, 1995) and the Core Institute (Cashin et al., 1998; Presley et
al., 1993b). Wechsler found that 60% of the fraternity members had been
heavy episodic drinkers in high school and more than 75% of fraternity
residents who had not engaged in heavy episodic drinking episodes in
high school became heavy episodic drinkers in college. Greek living did
make a greater significant contribution than other variables that were
Cashin et al. (1998) found that fraternity and sorority
leaders used more alcohol than nonmembers and members alike and
speculated that these leaders are participating in setting drinking
norms for their groups. An earlier data analysis (Presley et al., 1993b)
found that Greek house residents had extraordinarily high levels of
problematic alcohol use and negative consequences compared with students
PRESLEY, MEILMAN, LEICHLITER http://www.collegedrinkingprev…
Sober College Student: First off, sororities are not allowed to wear their letters when out drinking, so to say that you’ve seen tons of sorority girls do the drunken slut walk at Cranker’s at 2am is a complete false statement. Secondly, I’ll quote you “I find that most frat guys are douchebags.” You probably don’t even know 2% of the frat guys at Ferris State so to say that is again false, and very childish. Grow up and get a life, and stop watching National Lampoon movies on how they depict the greek lifestyle.
A 30-second google search turned up this gem:
“Presence of a Greek system. A number of single institution studies have found that members of Greek organizations are more likely to drink compared with other students (Klein, 1989; Lo and Globetti, 1993; Werner and Greene, 1992). Each of these studies reported that Greek affiliation—living in a Greek house, belonging to a Greek organization, intent to join the Greek system—is correlated with higher rates of heavy episodic drinking, frequency of drinking and negative consequences. The findings of these studies have been corroborated by data from the College Alcohol Study (Wechsler, 1995) and the Core Institute (Cashin et al., 1998; Presley et al., 1993b). Wechsler found that 60% of the fraternity members had been heavy episodic drinkers in high school and more than 75% of fraternity residents who had not engaged in heavy episodic drinking episodes in high school became heavy episodic drinkers in college. Greek living did make a greater significant contribution than other variables that were studied.
Cashin et al. (1998) found that fraternity and sorority leaders used more alcohol than nonmembers and members alike and speculated that these leaders are participating in setting drinking norms for their groups. An earlier data analysis (Presley et al., 1993b) found that Greek house residents had extraordinarily high levels of problematic alcohol use and negative consequences compared with students in general.”
PRESLEY, MEILMAN, LEICHLITER http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/supportingresearch/journal/presley.aspx
That’s a really great drawing John.
says the poor person who couldn’t afford to be in a house.
Point proven. Drink up.
I cannot believe that this was allowed to be printed. Clearly this perosn has no idea about Greek life. The person who did this as well as those who allowed it to be printed should be ashamed of themselfs, but then again the Torch has and always will be garbage.
Themselfs?? What are you — four years old? Do you say knifes, too?
Temselves. funny thats all you can attack about the post.
Its not grammatically correct but you get the point.
It’s not grammatically correct to leave out your apostrophe, either.
Hey “dude”… You’re a moron. Most likely you will be on welfare.
WE’VE GOT TO KEEP THE BABIES OFF THE INTERNETS!
If any other Registered Student Organization did something this disrespectful towards another organization they would be put on suspension or kicked off campus. The same should be done for this bogus newspaper.
So.….do Greeks have a higher GPA because they are more likely to have past copies of the exam, or is it purely merit? Sorry for the stereotypical reference.
You’re ignorant… Get a job.
Anyone else see this parked outside during welcome week?
I have never raped anyone while being a pike. Sure we all get drunk and shit happens. But I mean rape. This is distasteful.
Maybe you aught to figure out what rape really means, becuase it sounds like you actually may have raped someone
Honestly you all are offended by this? Its a comic that shows a one sided view of the very commonly viewed sorority life. Its a comic meant for humor and a laugh you all need to calm down just a bit and grow up. Enjoy a joke. Have fun its college life. Find a bigger issue to waste your tiny little life with.
I think its the timing of it that has most people so upset, since this is the week of formal recruitment.
And some sorority girl killed herself drunk driving.
The best way for Greeks to defend themselves is to follow what the shirt says… Act classy. Trying to scold somebody online isn’t going to change anything. Instead, do something about it in a classy way. Change the views of others about Greek Life, encourage your sisters/brothers to behave in a way you want your organization to be seen, and start getting more strict on the drinking habits among the organization. Your actions will speak louder than words, and will bring a great amount of respect to you all both now and in the future.
I’m not a part of Greek Life, but I know a ton of people who are and who really do participate in bettering the campus, community, and others’ lives.
I don’t know what you Black Greek Council people do, Mr. Editor, but I can assure you the women of Panhellenic are WAY better than that. As evidenced by your need to print this to take the negative attention off you and on to a group who clearly doesn’t deserve or do what this portrays.
I think the funniest part is the yoga pants. Nailed it, Johnny!
We all know them Greek girls are stuck-up floozies anyway. That’s why i love them, easy as pie.
Now that I have cooled down about this cartoon, I would like to apologize for saying anything that could have offended anyone. I would like to identify a t trend I am noticing. This is no longer a cartoon about stereotyping, people really hate the Greek System and are now just trying to be malicious. I have read comments of people saying that people in the Greek system are sluts and rapists, that is downright slanderous and these claims have absolutely no basis to go off of. I am not saying that everyone should like each other and the world is rainbows and sunshine, but this is getting downright nasty. Was I Greek as a college student, yes. Did I also go to nursing school and get good grades without the help of older sorority sisters, yes. Did I have a numerous amount of friends that were not Greek, absolutely. I understand people have had bad experiences with the Greek system, I have had bad experience with people who were non-greek, and greek. I feel that everyone is passing judgement on things that they are unaware of, yes maybe some people who are Greek drink to much, but as a former student I know the same is true of students who are in the Honor’s program or Ferris State athletes. As an alumni who has been off campus for a few years, I ask that everyone step back and maybe try to get to know one another as INDIVIDUALS instead of stereotype everyone as whole. I understand the Greek system isn’t for everyone, but I hope everyone can work together to make Ferris a better place. Since there is such a debate over this cartoon, I challenge all of you Greek and Non-Greek to comment here or make your status on facebook, “I am proud to be.… “. Example: I am proud to be a GDI, I am proud to be a pre-med student, I am proud to be a Ferris State Bulldog, I am proud to be an Alpha Xi. Instead of all the negativity let’s try to have something positive come out of this situation.
haha, Alpha xi. sucks.
PIKE PIKE PIKE.….… F*%$ Alpha xi
RON PAUL 2012
Very well drawn and quite effective given the response!
Keep up the good work!
LOL U ALL MAD
The people complaining about this comic are an embarrassment. Keep up the good work John!
To the cartoonist: I commend you for creating something that has stirred up this much debate. You have truly accomplished the goal of many editorial writers and illustrators. Bravo, good sir. I fully support your right to express your views and hope that you will continue to do so. I look forward to seeing your work in this nation’s publications.
To the greek system members, family thereof, supporters… etc: get off of your high horse. There are good apples and bad apples in every bunch. This cartoon is a representation of the commonly held belief that this is how greek system members act. No one is implying that this is the way all of you act, but this is the image that you have to deal with. If you don’t like it, change it. Bring the hammer down on drug and alcohol abusers among you. Kick them out. Remove them from the group which affects your image. And stop being so bitter that someone disagrees with your life choices. You’ll meet a lot of people like that in life. Don’t get all high and mighty because you were invited to join a club, and stop comparing this to race and human rights issues.
To the people who are using the stereotype portrayed in this cartoon to bash the entire greek system: There are good people in there, too. It is unfair to pool everyone into one group based on the actions of whatever percentage of sorority sisters that the girl in the picture represents. Don’t jump on the bandwagon. You don’t like the greek system? Don’t join it. Didn’t join it? Good for you. Don’t get all high and mighty just because you didn’t. You do your argument no favors by verbally abusing your opponent. Rather, you are hurting your own credibility, as well as that of all of those who support your view.
To both sides of this argument: you want to prove the other side wrong? Don’t drink to excess, study hard, and make something of yourself. Prove your argument right. I guarantee you that if you pursue this goal, the whole world will be a better place for it.
For the sake of full disclosure, I will admit that I was never a member of the greek system. I didn’t apply, but many of my friends did. I stayed friends with some of them, but not with others. I spent 7 years at a state school (that is not FSU) pursuing undergraduate degrees in psychology, economics, and anthropology, as well as a juris doctor. I spent a significant amount of time with my friends at their fraternities, and was witness to many instances of both the best and the worst that the greek system had to offer.
As an active member of a Fraternity, this cartoon is sadly very accurate. What people aren’t realizing is that this picture doesn’t necessarily illustrate that all Greek members are drinkers and irresponsible. The greater message is that Greek life has always done a really great job of misrepresenting itself and, quite honestly, shooting itself in its own foot.
As a member of a Greek organization, you are holding yourself to an higher standard in the public sphere. Everything you do is a representation of your organization as a whole. So for every community service event that do that improves the image of your chapter, the exact opposite could be said of someone wearing your letters getting “blitzed” at a party. No matter how much time you dedicate to worldly causes, the stereotype of the drunk, belligerent, rude, obnoxious, slutty, fratty and what have you, will always exist while you give it fuel to burn.
The people flipping out about this comment would like you to believe that the Greek system makes excellent citizenry, that are able to fully participate in our democratic republic, and may even be superior citizens to us non-Greeks. Yet many of the Greek proponents clearly have a problem with the free exercise of speech. Needless to say, you can’t have a free society without free speech. Their strong negative reaction, in particular the ridiculous assertion that this is not protected speech which obviously stands in contradistinction to the facts (unless you cite precedent, there is no compelling reason to think else-wise), clearly indicates that these young adults are utterly incapable of being responsible actors in a free society. By reacting in such a childish way, the proponents of the Greek system have embodied an even more stinging criticism of the Greek system than the cartoonist ever intended. It’d be deliciously humorous if it didn’t have such profound consequences for the continued existence of free society. Frankly, I’m legitimately worried that some of our most active citizens (taking the Greek pronouncements concerning their civic duty in all good faith) are so woefully ignorant about the very philosophy and law underlying our republic.
Have the Greek students not learned even a modicum of US 20th century history? They should be well aware of the fact that spouting nazi garbage is, excluding the well known exceptions, protected speech. Obviously this is not as hateful as nazi crap, so why wouldn’t it be protected speech? Alas, I fear my well thought out arguments are lost upon those who need to hear them the most.
You sir, have won the internet argument. 1000 upvotes for you!
I must admit, I do whore for karma.
Upvotes for everyone
I wish this comment could be posted on a billboard for all those complaining to read. You are 110% right, and this has, by far, been the best and most coherent argument of the entire battle. I hope that you officially write this in to the Editor so that it may be published for all those who do physically read the paper. Thank you good citizen.
Wow, the “Greeks” here are pretty touchy. Let us not play games. Everyone knows you sluts joined the Sorority to get drunk and be elitist. Overreacting is a sign of guilt. This is free speech.. Y so Serious?
I don’t know why everybody’s up in arms about this cartoon. He is clearly commenting on the high prevalence of Bulimia within the sorority community.
so you must know every single female who has ever joined a sorority at every single university then hey? it’s funny–4 years at ferris and I did not know one single person with an eating disorder.
You obviously didn’t attend class either. And, also, grab a dictionary. And look up SARCASM.
She doesn’t have a dictionary…you so silly.
I really liked this comic, and do not feel that it was in bad taste.
Racism? Really? Do they have separate bathrooms and water fountains for girls in sororities as well?
Do not apologize for what you’ve done Torch. You’re a news paper, and this is a CARTOON. The fact that these people in the Greek atmosphere *because they seem to think they’re above everyone else* obviously don’t know how to take a joke. Has any one heard any legal or libel suits being brought against “The Big Bang Theory” or the “Revenge of the Nerds” saga? No? Why? Because nerds can laugh it off. Enjoy being who you are, and accept the good with the bad. Accept that not everyone is going to like you, and that by forcing them to like you isn’t going to work either. You can’t buy popularity in the real world, and you can’t pay dues out of a stereotype. Laugh it up, shrug it off, and turn the other cheek.
You (and I mean all of you “representing” –using that loosely– the Greek community) have just proved how absolutely intolerant and hateful you can be to others. You’ve done nothing but be a detriment to your organization. I once thought that maybe I would like to join an organization such as yours, but now I see its not one of acceptance or community. I would never wish to associate myself with a group of people that can’t take criticism or a joke no matter how hurtful it may be, and I would never wish to be a part of a mud-slinging, ill-informed and non-empirical campaign the likes of which you are leading. Your logic in 9 out of 10 arguments is flawed, and to make matters worse the 1 out 10 that presents a decent case is written from an egotistical point of view, and not working to make up a common ground or come to any sort of resolution.
This comic has reached the internet at large, so here is an explanation of the hoopla for any non-American that is unfamiliar with fraternities and sororities:
Fraternities and sororities are essentially social clubs within American collages that students join. They are also known as “Greek” groups, due to the fact that their organizations’ names are usually a combination of three letters from the ancient Greek alphabet.
Due to a combination of their representation in popular culture (movies, television, etc) and the very real fact that many students in these organizations engage in excessive drinking and partying, there is a stereotype of the “frat boy” and “sorority girl” of being drunken, disrespectful louts.
At some point, these groups decided they wanted to clean up their image (due to in no small part than the fact that a school does not want to be associated with underaged and binge drinking) and the organizations and their members prefer their public image to be associated with community service and the brother/sisterhood that they promote. Many members of “Greek” organizations will even be offended if you refer to them as “frats” because of the popular perception of the “frat boy”.
However, it is disingenuous to say that sororities and fraternities are only about community service and fraternal togetherness and that excessive drinking and partying isn’t a very real problem that permeates the culture of *some* of these organizations. There are many of these groups that do not engage in irresponsible behavior. There are many that do. I think what this cartoon is saying that although many people within “Greek” groups like to push the idea that they don’t promote binge drinking and the reputation is caused by a few individual “bad apples” that would be found in any large group of people, that the reality of the situation (for many) is different from the whitewashed image that these organizations are putting forward.
Seymore, is that you?
You are a tool!
YO BRO YOU MAD?
Great comic! Hilarious. This guy has skills!
FREEDOM OF GOD DAMNED SPEECH YOU FUCK TARDS.
Sorry, idiots piss me off.
lol you’re a moron.
When I went to visit my sister in school last year I went to the bathroom and found a girl laying on the floor of the mens room next to a toilet wearing a shirt with a similar message, my brother and I still joke about it today. Funny how art imitates life.
Frats and sororities do lots of good community service, it is true that their GPA’s tend to be higher than average, and you can learn a lot from being in a Greek organization. That said, people get trashed, and throw up, and sometimes do stupid shit. Is it possible that, much like other groups of people, fraternities and sororities are mixed bags?
Besides, even if this doesn’t represent what a sorority is about, do you really think it’s inaccurate? This happens all the time.This is coming from someone in a fraternity, albeit at a different school.
THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY INACCURATE!!!…wheres the cocaine??
I support anything that makes fun of Sororities because all they do is get hammered and cheat on their boyfriends with the “Nice Guy from the Frat Next Door”
And the only reason they might have a higher GPA is because they cheat. They all collect the exams answers from previous years and know which teachers don’t change the answers at all.
No I’ve dated enough sorority girls to know it’s the truth. And trust me, I’m smarter than you’ll ever be sweetheart.
I read that in this guy’s voice.
How did I cheat may way to a 3.5. graduating GPA when no other sisters were in my program before me? hmmnnn i guess i also must have cheated my way through national boards, and regional boards in order to become a licensed health professional. Sorry– no I worked my ass off to obtain the career that I have today and I had NO help from anybody, so how dare you say that all I did was cheat.
Before you start making obscene comments– maybe you should do some research first.
Are you mad because there was no sister you could cheat from? Or you’re getting called out on being a cheating slut?
That would be neither “BobJones”. I’m not pleased with how uneducated people are making claims about others just to make themselves look cool. It is absolutely ridiculous. I would never insult someone I did not know just because of a group they are associated with.. and ESPECIALLY if I didn’t know jack squat about the group. So if you want to get to know me inside and out… then make claims. fine. go ahead. But don’t go ahead in life thinking you are all high and mighty because you can call someone you don’t even know a thing about a “cheating slut” over the internet.
Let me guess…kinesiology?
Im totally for “racism” against greek life.
Anyone participating in “greek” life should probably be moved to a small island and left there.
We tried that. They came back.
College children are a riot. Spend a few weeks away from mom and dad and suddenly you are experts on civil rights, slander laws, oppression?
I’m greek and I think this is hilarious.
ABLOO BLOO BLOO! Our sororities are being oppressed! ABLOO BLOO BLOO! It’s like, black people, right? ABLOO BLOO BLOO! I mean, it’s like TOTES RECRUITMENT WEEK! We are SO gonna be embarrassed that we didn’t get as many as 2010! ABLOO BLOO BLOO! SLANDER! LIBEL! SUE SUE SUE! ABLOO BLOO BLOO!
Lighten up, Francis.
God am I glad I went to art school, you sorority types are shallow and unable to take a fuckin’ joke…
First world problem.
I like turtles.